Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lighthouse of Lierna
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Star Mississippi 01:37, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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Content copied/translated, without attribution but apparently in good faith, from simple:The Lighthouse of Lierna and/or ru:Маяк Лиерны (озеро Комо), both of which were created by IP socks of globally-locked long-term hoax/nuisance editor Long-term abuse/Alec Smithson, one of whose principal characteristics is his obsession with the village on of Lierna and any- or everything connected to it.
No indication of encyclopaedic significance, nothing on Scholar ([1], [2], [3]), JSTOR ([4], [5], [6]) or Gbooks ([7], [8], [9]).
As is usual with this editor, nothing he writes can be trusted: the column is not a stele, as the Simple-wiki page says it is (and thus ours too); there is no book by Nino Salvaneschi on Castiglioni listed in WorldCat]. The bronze bas-relief is apparently not connected in any way to the column and is not called "Il faro di Lierna"; an example of it was sold in 2019 as "Madonna col Bambino". Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts and Italy. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. I patrolled this page and seeing it come from simple with a couple sources (which I tried to verify, one was easy, the other one seems way out of print including [10][11]), and also considering the presumptive translations from Italian, I clearly didn't look closely enough. I agree with nominator's assessment of the article and will take a closer investigation of articles from simple in the future.—siroχo 12:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Just because something is out of print doesn't make it stop being reliable PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 18:38, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Right, but if the originator of this article (not the creator here on en, to be clear) may have used the sources improperly, as the nom's investigation suggests, then reliability of the source doesn't imply verifiability of the information. —siroχo 20:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Kudos to Siroxo for tracking down the Salvaneschi source. It's a twelve-page leaflet, apparently the catalogue of an exhibition of fountain sculptures; as such, it is improbable at best that this column (not a fountain or anything like one) is mentioned in it. Siroxo, were you able to confirm that the thing is mentioned in the 2015 Skira book? – I didn't manage to view any part of that. With Smithson, nothing can be taken in good faith, every detail needs to be independently verified (details do sometimes check out, and often do not). I'll take this opportunity to apologise (again) to Товболатов, who could not have been expected to know the background here, and thank her/him for the understanding shown below. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:03, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- No I did not confirm the subject of the article was mentioned in the book, merely verified the existence of the sources. Which clearly wasn't enough. I'll be more cautious now that I have at least a sense of the banned editor's patterns. —siroχo 10:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- Kudos to Siroxo for tracking down the Salvaneschi source. It's a twelve-page leaflet, apparently the catalogue of an exhibition of fountain sculptures; as such, it is improbable at best that this column (not a fountain or anything like one) is mentioned in it. Siroxo, were you able to confirm that the thing is mentioned in the 2015 Skira book? – I didn't manage to view any part of that. With Smithson, nothing can be taken in good faith, every detail needs to be independently verified (details do sometimes check out, and often do not). I'll take this opportunity to apologise (again) to Товболатов, who could not have been expected to know the background here, and thank her/him for the understanding shown below. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:03, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- Right, but if the originator of this article (not the creator here on en, to be clear) may have used the sources improperly, as the nom's investigation suggests, then reliability of the source doesn't imply verifiability of the information. —siroχo 20:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Just because something is out of print doesn't make it stop being reliable PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 18:38, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- I saw an article in a Russian project and decided to translate it. Didn't know it was a hoax. I had to check the source Delete.--Товболатов (talk) 13:50, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete I couldn't find any mention of this work, and it is not listed in any of the sources on the article for the artist even though other works are named. I suspect this is a minor work without great import, even though the artist is notable. I did see that there is a museum of his works in Lierna, so he is associated with the place. Lamona (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.